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pedal board degrading sound on VT+

Started 10 months ago by jimstarla

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jimstarla

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I have a valvetronix 40+, which I am quite happy with. However, I've run into a problem when I try to run my pedal board in front of it--the sound gets really cruddy and distorted, even on the Fender clean amp models. The board is a Behringer PB1000--cheap, but it runs fine in front of other amps. The problem doesn't occur if I run two or three pedals on their own directly into the amp. Is there some kind of buffering issue going on--or would it be electrical? I did check to make sure there were no dead 9 volts in any of the pedals.


Posted 10 months ago

 

brian6string

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How many pedals? Which ones (are they all true bypass?).

If you have a lot of pedals, or a lot of cable, even if they're true bypass your signal can be degraded. Degraded signal probably effects modeling amps more unevenly than analog ones.

One solution for that is to add a buffer to the front of your signal chain. Google This 1's Myne, they make a really good and inexpensive buffer.


Posted 10 months ago

 

jimstarla

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Thanks. I have many pedals, but as most of the on-board effects are quite good, I really only want to run: 1) digital delay (I bought an Echo Park as I find the vt+ delay quite weak; 2) overdrive (as a lead boost); and wah. Of the three, I believe only the wah has true bypass option, so I'll check out the option you suggest.


Posted 10 months ago

 

brian6string

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That's not much. Did you check all the patch cables?


Posted 10 months ago

 

voxman

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This could just be down to the quality of wiring/pedals, but the front end of Valvetronix amps are DSP (digital signal processing). Whilst results will vary depending on pedals used, generally speaking the Valvetronix amps are sometimes not overly 'fond' of external pedals (compared for example to the AC15/30VR which have a different non-modeling front end, and were specifically designed with external pedals in mind).

Best results will be to use the internal pedals and if you need anything more, just keep these to a minimum - as you found, 2-3 pedals on their own aren't usually a problem. Remember too that time based pedals (delays, modulation) are better suited in an FX loop, not at the front end, anyway - unfortunately, none of the VT+ variants comes with an FX loop. If you want to add an FX loop, there is a non-Vox mod/kit option at Valvetronix.net, designed by 'Retrobob', but this will invalidate your Vox warranty.


Posted 10 months ago

 

 

I have a VT30 and a VT20+ and neither has any trouble with my complete effects chain (using Tweed 4x10 on the VT30 or US Blues green light on the VT20+, Manual Mode, Bypass Mode), which consists of a Behringer Slow Motion, a Nobels ODR-1, Boss V-Wah, Boss BE-5 (4 pedals in one box - compression, OD, delay and chorus), BBE Boosta Grande all into the front end - no loop. I also have another chorus and a phaser pedal which I have added in without problem.
The only time I've ever had an issue like this was when I tried an Ibanez Weeping Demon Wah. It was overloading the front end of the Valvetronix and I had to turn the Gain control on the amp way down to get a clean sound. I therefore did not buy it.

jimstarla, is this problem present only when all pedals are on, all pedals off, or only some combinations? It may be just one pedal that's screwing things up. What happens when you reduce the Gain on the Vox? Try setting the level controls on all the pedals to unity gain, meaning the volume is the same with the effect on or off.

And yes, you should check all the patch cables.

And make sure all presets and effects on the amp are off.


Posted 10 months ago

 

jimstarla

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Thanks. I'll troubleshoot individual pedals, cables, etc. The problem is actually a recent one--I didn't notice the issue with the board previously--some darkening of tone but not undesirable distortion, almost as if signal was having difficulty getting through. I usually run the amp on the AC30 green model--have never tried it in manual. Will do. I'll also run the wah on its own into the amp and see if that's the source. The Echo Park and OD808 aren't the cause...


Posted 10 months ago

 

jimstarla

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A lightbulb went on as I read your post, cosmicrepairdude: it was the signal boost on the Hellbabe wah. The boost kicks up the signal by up to 15 db--I tend to default to it because, without it, the Hellbabe doesn't have much oomph. But too much for the vt+. I'll experiment--may not need to disengage boost, but will definitely need to dial it back. Thanks again to all.


Posted 10 months ago

 

 

You're welcome - glad to help


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