close

Log-in here for All Access Areas >

forgotten password? Get your free VOX pass >

 

VOX | Discussion Forums » Effect & Pedals » ToneLab

 

Using ST/EX with a Boss processor

Started 1 year ago by rebelrocker20

Topic Rating:


 

rebelrocker20

Member

 

I've decided that I'd like to get either the Tonelab ST or EX, but I also have a keen interest in the Boss ME 70 multi effects processor. I was thinking of getting both effects and using them in this order- Crybaby Wah-OD/Dist pedal-Boss ME70-Tonelab-PA. Basically, I'd be using the Boss as my effects unit and the Tonelab as more of an amp modeler. My only concern is, like most digital processor products, I've heard many people complain about the systems "sucking the tone" out of their rig. With the Tonelab systems being known for their warm and organic sound for processors, I'm afraid that the Boss would suck the tone come across as too "processed", for lack of a better term, for what I'm looking for.

Has anybody used a combination of these two units and if so, what are your experiences using both? It would certainly take care of my rig by being able to use the Boss for effects and the Tonelab for the amp sims, but I don't want to sacrifice my ultimate tone for the convenience.

Thanks!


Posted 1 year ago

 

voxman

VOX Forum Moderator

voxman
 

My advice is to only use one unit or the other - but not both, for the reasons you state. Unfortunately, the TLST/EX do not have an FX loop that you can 'insert' the Boss unit into. This means that you will have to connect the units in series which is likely to degrade tone & add noise, because you can't control where he FX go in the signal chain.

I recommend you stick with the Vox Tonelab EX for quality of organic tone and because it represents very good value. It has plenty of FX in there which are likely to be all you need, plus stomp box facilities and 2 pedal sections.

If you really, really need more FX or wider FX parameter control, plus more complex connectivity/ 'outs' including FX loop, then you might want to consider a single unit that does it all. There are other solutions out there, but they all have their pros & cons. An example are the Line 6 Pod HD300/400/500 units. The HD500 has more FX and control parameters than you can poke a stick at, it has state of the art modeling, and in the HD500 you have a 2 amps at once option plus a 48s looper. It's not cheap (circa £400), and it will likely take you a long while to get your head around the unit, but at least you'll simplify your set up. It's also upgradeable via USB.

I must admit that I looked very closely at the HD500 myself - it's an impressive and great sounding bit of kit - but it takes time to find really great tone. My concern was that there was just so much in it (including complex combinations of effect chains, microphone types & positions, on top of all the amp models & FX - you can even fine tune the cabinet models!) I'd be spending my life tweaking in search of good tone, rather than playing.

The new Boss GT100 is another option, but it has similar complexity, and although it is the best sounding GT unit I've yet heard, the Boss COSM modeling still doesn't match up to the warmth and organic feel of the Tonelabs or the HD Pods. Fender has recently brought out a 'Mustang Floor' which physically is very similar to the older Vox TLSE in looks & functionality (eg 2 foot-pedals), but it lacks organic warmth & has less functionality & choice overall than the TLEX. IMHO the older Tonelab SE is actually a better unit.

The thing I love about the Vox Tonelabs is that they are very 'amp like' in functionality, very intuitive and relatively easy to use, and have a great organic tone.

As I already have a Tonelab ST, & wanted some specific features not available in the TLEX (such as FX loop, fine tune parameter controls, and patch-naming), I opted for a pre-owned Tone Lab LE which gives me everything I need, & at a quarter of the price of a HD500. Even though its no longer 'state of the art', and I don't get some of the new TLEX features/modeling, it still sounds terrific through the FX loop return of my amps, and it has some excellent features of its own.

So, its all about thinking hard about exactly what you do and don't need, & finding the right solution, at the right budget.

My 'journey' led me to the TLLE - your's may lead somewhere else...but IMHO mixing units is not the best way to go, although I'm sure there may be others here that have had success with that approach and may want to add their thoughts.


Posted 1 year ago

 

rebelrocker20

Member

 

Great reply, Voxman. Helpful as always. I've done some research on the POD HD units and have actually tried the HD 500. It's definitely rich in features and has a decent sound, but with any digital processor, it still didn't feel amp like and real to me. Like I mentioned in my last post, the warmth and organic sounds that I can get out of the Tonelabs are the big selling point, for me.

My goal, like many other guitarists, is to look for my own unique, distinct tone. Although it would be nice to have a feature rich processor, it's not worth sacrificing my tone for those features.

I can't wait until I can get to my nearby music store in the next week or so to do my final test on the Tonelabs.


Posted 1 year ago

 

smokin

Member

smokin
 

Rebelrocker20 one unit that will work with the TLST/EX is a Digitech RP1000 in 4 cable mode.You do need to have send/return loop on the amp.The tones from amp models/cabs/effects pedals are excellent.

This unit allows you to mix you own pedals with the RP1000 pedals/amps and cabs.Or use the unit in pedal stomp loop mode and use your own pedals/TLST/EX in bypass mode.Bypass your amps pre-amp and use the amps from the RP1000,plenty of options.

Excellent editing system.There are some good Utube videos on this unit also check out the Digitech web site for more information in the owners manual.

I have a TLST with the RP1000,works fine.

Worth checking out the RP1000 Intergrated Effetcs Switching System.


Posted 1 year ago

 

rebelrocker20

Member

 

Thanks, smokin. I'll keep that in mind!


Posted 1 year ago

 

RSS feed for this topic

 

You must be logged in to post.