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Bedroom players: amp or PC?

Started 1 year ago by fechart

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fechart

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fechart
 

Hello everybody,

I found that lately lots of people run their multi effects units directly to a PC, specially whith this deal of the amp simulation.

Personally I´ve always had an amp, actually I now have a Marshall JVM 410H and a 1960 AV cabinet in my bedroom!!! I still use the Tonelab EX, despite I want to change to a Line 6 POD HD 500, because of the conectivity options (four cables method, midi connection...)

But you know I find much easier to achieve to a good tone on the PC... the amps are a beast to domesticate...

What´s your opinion on this topic?

Cheers!


Posted 1 year ago

 

fechart

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fechart
 

(I have the hope that VOX comes up with a new Tonelab, that´s why I didn´t buy the POD HD 500 yet!)


Posted 1 year ago

 

voxman

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For what its worth I've looked closely at the Pod HD500, and decided the TLEX is easier to get good tone from. There's just too much in the HD500 - its underlying modeling is very good, plus it has great FX but there are just way too many combinations of speaker cabs, mic types, FX, amp models, and amp/FX positions. I've read a lot of forum feedbacks & a lot of these are hitting the used market now because (like me) folk just want to play & not spend their lives tweaking. Yes the connectivity layout is excellent, but I really recommend you try one out thoroughly before buying - you may start to get frustrated after the honeymoon period!

For that reason, and as I already have a TLST, I'm on the lookout for a used TLLE - it has better connectivity & parameter controls than the TLEX (inc patch naming), loads of decent FX and good amp modeling - it may not be up there with the POD HD500 technology & amp model quality wise, but it has good connectivity & I think overall its a more manageable unit.

Rich


Posted 1 year ago

 

fechart

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fechart
 

Hi Rich,

I agree TL LE is a terrific option, but here in my country (Uruguay) I can´t find a secon-hand LE... I have two questions about this unit, first is about connectivity; can you connect the LE via midi so you can store the settings of the amp on it? I ask this because I have no idea of midi connections, and I saw that the LE has midi in/out... (of course the amp has to support midi).

The second question is about using pedals and amp modelling together... can you do this? Because with TLSE you can't. This is a feature I love of my TLEX...

Thanks and regards,

Flavio


Posted 1 year ago

 

fechart

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fechart
 

PS: I´m not sure if you can use pedals together with amp models with Tonelab SE


Posted 1 year ago

 

voxman

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Flavio, I think you might be getting confused.

If you mean internal pedal effects, with the TL desktop, TLLE, TLSE and TLST you can select one pedal effect from the pedal section. With the TLEX, you have a second pedal section and can use one from each section at the same time. In addition, TLEX has an extra feature - a set of 11 stand alone distortion pedals (Tone Drive, Brit Lead, Fat Dist, Metal Dist, Rock Planet, Tube DX, Big Fuzz, VOX Tone Bender, Octa Fuzz, Techno Fuzz, Crusher) - but these are only available INSTEAD of the amp modeling ie if you select one of these, you can't select an amp model at the same time.

If you mean external stomp pedals, there's nothing to stop you using external pedals with any of the TL series; although TLSE and TLLE are more flexible here in that these have an FX loop that TLST and TLEX don't have.

Re MIDI, TL desktop, TLSE and TLLE have MIDI connectivity; TLST and TLEX do not. But I don't understand what you mean by 'storing settings of the amp on it' '?

Although I did like the TLEX, there are quite a few reasons why I decided against buying one (but I should stress that these are from a gigging rather than 'bedroom' playing perspective, and are geared around my personal needs and preferences):

For me (& I accept others may not find it a problem) one very awkward feature of the TLEX is that I have to press TWO switches simultaneously to go into 'stomp mode' which I found really clumsy for fast changing e.g. at a gig. I can do this with one pedal press in my VC12, and similarly it needs just one pedal press in the TLSE and TLLE.

The TLEX still has no patch naming facilities - 100 user and 100 factory pre-sets is great, but I can't remember what they are.

With TLLE and TLSE I can change the pedal order, which I can't do with TLST/TLEX.

TLLE/TLSE have an FX loop; TLST/TLEX do not.

Both the TLSE and TLLE offer a much larger choice of delays and reverbs than the TLST/TLEX, and you have significantly wider parameter control of effects.

TLLE/TLSE have MIDI connectivity; TLST/TLEX do not.

Whilst I accept the TLST was designed as a basic pedal that was light & compact, and I like the modeling in the TLST/TLEX, the TLEX is very much a stripped down version of the TLSE and TLLE that unfortunately just doesn't suit my needs.

Because of the above, I'm looking for a TLSE or TLLE - still not quite decided on which yet. The TLSE's additional advantages are its channel A/B switching and second expression pedal - but its disadvantage is physical size & weight. However, in many ways I think the TLSE may arguably have been the best Tonelab Vox ever made.


Posted 1 year ago

 

fechart

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fechart
 

Hey Rich,

I really appreciate your extended answer, it was very informative.

What I mean with "using pedals and amp modelling together" is if you can use for example a recto amp and a tube OD at the same time, not external pedals. I didn´t understand this point in your answer, sorry.

This posibility is very good (as in the EX I have PEDAL 2 available to use with the amps models at the same time), when you want to set high gain patches.

Thanks again and regards,

Flavio


Posted 1 year ago

 

voxman

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voxman
 

What I mean with "using pedals and amp modelling together" is if you can use for example a recto amp and a tube OD at the same time, not external pedals. I didn´t understand this point in your answer, sorry.

Yes you can select a pedal effect with any amp model. You need to read the manual!!


Posted 1 year ago

 

fechart

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fechart
 

Thanks Rich! That´s what I wanted to hear... next time I´ll read the manuals first! haha.

Cheers bro!


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