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Can the DA5 be mic'd up to a PA with good results? Here's the deal. I already have several amps including a Vox Valvetronix AD50, which I love - great jazz tone. But I want a small, versatile portable amp that I can keep in my car trunk (that's the "boot" for you Brits:) and use it for impromptu open mics and jams. Has anyone done this before? Also, can the DA5 provide decent vocals through the mic input? I tried the DA5 at GC and was impressed with it's clean tones. Your answers to my questions can help me decide whether I buy it. I want to buy it, but I need a good reason to purchase another amp.
Marcar, Personally, I would use an AD30VT and modifie the speaker to a Celestion grean back or comerable to get a nice rich sound and still have a small enough amp to carry with you. Then you could mike it or play as a stand alone without tearing up your back or your bankbook.
Thanks for the suggestion. The only problem is that my car trunk is jam-packed with equipment. I have room only for an amp the size of the DA5, and barely enough room for that! Just want to know if the DA5 would be worth the effort if it can be mic'd up and preserve some decent tonal quality.
i don't understand your question. The DA5 can be connected to a bigger amp, a pa-system, a computer... if you use the Line/Phone exit on the back. Just stick a cable in there and one in the entry of the pa-system, comp, or another amp. It will work like a head phone, in other words: you can control everything on the da5, but you won't hear anything coming out of the da5. Hope I could help.
Mike
what kind of cable would you use going into the larger amp or pa? would a regular guitar cable work, or should it be speaker cable??
i have thought about doing this with a da 20, so that I could do gigs on the street with batteries but then plug this into my 100 w fender bland amp. .
it works fine with just a normal guitar cable (i'm no pro). The sound also depends on the amp or pa that your using. It's all personal preference. All in all it works just fine with a guitar cable, but any 6.3mm cable should work.
Yes you can mic the amp. In fact that is probably your best bet for sound quality through the P.A.
I always mic my amps in live and recording situations.
I use an AC30CC2 mic'd with an sm57, and have never been disappointed with the sound quality.
Use a good mic though or you will fight to find the right sound and probably not find it.
I would suggest the sm57. (a tryed and true mic by so many professionals and non)
As far as vocals go I don't think that the vocals would sound very good through the amp.
Most modern amps are voiced specifically for guitar and not the frequencies that vocals present.
Some vintage amps have been used and designed to some aspect to be used like that though. Such as the AC30.
It usually had 4 inputs and some used a guitar and vocals at the same time.
Hope this helps a little.
Rob
robmosis966: Yes you can mic the amp. In fact that is probably your best bet for sound quality through the P.A.
I'm no soundtechnician, but I think to get the best sound quality, you should use the line/phone output on the back. Because, it's not only a headphone socket, but a LINE OUT. It's meant for such things!!
Actually I found that it isn't the best for recreating the amps actual tone.
A line out is actually a simulated signal. Meaning that it is designed as a seperate circuit made to emulate the sound of the amp, tubes, and speaker.
It is true that it is designed for this use but to most is inferior in sound quality to a miced speaker.
When mic'ing a cab you are getting the actual sound of the amp you are hearing.
Which has a lot to do with the speaker, and in tube amps the tubes.
A line out is like a solid state amp built into a tube amp.
I would suggest you use what sounds best to your ears, but I would guess like many that you will find the mic'd cab a lot better representation of your actual amp.
Rob
okay, but I like to use the line out because let's be honest. The da5 (I've got it) doesn't have the best sound quality. When connecting with the amp I use, it sounds amazing. I don't want to only get the sound of the da5 because it isn't the best. I don't know how much better the da20 sounds (I hope it sounds a lot better^^). Your best bet is to try out both ways, and see which one you like best. The sound will probably vary a little bit depending on the other amp, pa ... that your using.
I didn't mean to create any hard feeling, I was just saying what I thought of best. robmosis966, you probably changed my mind (I now believe that the better sound quality is achieved when miking your amp) in general (I will continue using the line out on my da5 because that together with the other amp I'm using, sounds better than when miking it).
Cheers Mike
Mike1, I did not take you disagreeing with me to be negative in any way.
Everyone has their own opinions and the way I look at it is, that it is just another way to learn something.
My second response was just so I could clarify what I meant in my 1st response.
I can only go by my experiences.
You are correct in that it should be done in the way it sounds best to you.
I should have clarified that I do not have the da5 and I have never recorded with the amp or used it live.
So when it comes to this amp you know more about what sounds best than me.
I was just giving my thoughts on the amps I have recorded or played through live.
I now use an AC30CC2 for the majority of my recording and live playing.
But prior to that I used a Fender Champ quite a bit for both.
The Champ is fairly popular for recording since it can be cranked at decent volumes in a studio. I have also used it multiple times mic'd live in conjuction with a Marshall half stack.
Both were mic'd to the PA.
For vintage cranked tube sound the Champ mic'd gave a much more usable tube saturated sound.
But again no hard feelings at all on my end.
I try not to ever argue opinions. It is much more useful to just share them.
Peace and Great Tone, Rob
Forgive my ignorance, but let me get this straight- I can run a DA5 from the line/phone output directly into the input of another amp, my Pathfinder15, for example, or any other amp? I understand that would cancel any sound coming from the DA5. This wouldn't cause any damage to either amp?
The line out is very good for recording. It sounded quite tight in pro-tools the other day.
I am a sound technician. I own a DA5, a recording studio, a tube stack and just recently a VT30. The da5 is still my main amp. YES YOU CAN MIC THIS AMP. I use a large diaphragm condenser or a 57. I also cut a round hole in the back cover to cram a 57 in the back of the cab (don't forget to Reverse your Phase).
Do youself the favor and buy another on of these amps. Two of these can play live with a drum set not miked.
Wow, what a gr8t idea. I already run a tlst into the rear panel <input> jack on a da5, considering the tlst output is a stereo feed, it may sound killer stereophonic running into dual da5's!
Just wanted to chime in and say that I've done this successfully. When I first got my da5, I was so psyched about all the effects that I wanted to try them on bass, but knew the bass frequencies would stress the little speaker.
So, I ran a regular guitar cord from the da5 line out into my Sunn Concert Slave, which was hooked up to a Hartke 1X15 and a 2X10. Presto, huge sound, and I was able to hear that tremelo + reverb patch thru a big ol' bass stack, without shredding the little 6" speaker.
What's great about this set up is you can still use gain and master volume control (as well as the 'real' master volume on the slave), so you have all the tone varieties you're used to, it just disables the watt selector on the back.
Can it be mic's up?!
Have you guys not seen Rob Math's awesome demo of the DA5?? - mic'd up of course! And to think that little puppy doesn't even have a tube in it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE32cmJ401I&feature=related
Rich
I've answered my own question that opened this thread.
Last summer I gigged with my DA5 without it being mic'd. I was performing at a patio party with a flutist. We were doing mostly bossa nova and jazz standards. The Vox performed very well, even out of doors. I could play clean and still be heard. Because this was an out of town gig, I chose to use the DA5 for its simplicity and portability. It played clean enough to be heard on a fairly large patio with about a hundred guests. As background music, it was quite successful and we received several compliments on our playing. I'm sure a decent mic hooked up to a PA would have worked just fine.
Thank you all for your input.
marcar, that's killer to hear you were able to use the DA5 successfully. I love mine, and take it with me whenever I go on road trips.
Hey guys, I sold my DA-5 without stopping and thinking first, now I need one again! But should I get one or get a DA-10 or VT15 instead? I keep hearing awesome stuff about the DA-10's & VT15's, how do they compare to the DA-5?
I had a DA20CL and sold it and got a VT15.
I wish a still had a DA20CL.