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Vox AC30HW2X some Questions

Started 1 year ago by crazieh

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crazieh

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Hello,
i am going to buy a Vox AC30HW2X.
My questions are :
1. I heard Vox Germany Denied some informations about tubes and issues ? Which informations did they deny ?
2. I also heard about humming if the amp is turned on, is it right ? I think an amp in this price segment shouldnt have issues like that, but is it right ?
3. I want to play Classic Rock like Status Quo with my band and at home is this Amp a good choice ?
4. How is the processing of this amp ? It's Handwired,very cool but handwired in Vietnam what can you say about it ?

Thanks, Maurice From Germany

Rock on


Posted 1 year ago

 

crazieh

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Noone knows it ?


Posted 1 year ago

 

ken374

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ken374
 

there was an issue if your putting in a diff brand of power tubes in the 30, its all fixed now! do recommend putting in better tubes for sure there great amps!


Posted 1 year ago

 

 

1) Tube issue is described here http://www.mcallister-productions.com/vox.php its a very easy fix if your amp hasn't been done at the factory.

2) All tube amps hum, The AC30HW is not a noisy amp in my experience.

3) The amps sound great by themselves (more blues than rock tones) but they take pedals well so getting a good rock sound would be pretty easy. It has a master volume so can be used at home, but these amps sound best when cranked up a bit, very loud ! The AC15 may be better at home which is what I chose.

4) The build quality of these amps is very high, much better than the Classic series. I have worked on these amps and they are very well put together.


Posted 1 year ago

 

ken374

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ken374
 

does classic great with a les paul and SG


Posted 1 year ago

 

red_special

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I think I would recommend this amp to you. I´m from Germany, too by the way :)
In my opinion it´s very flexible and if you really know what tone you like you can still mod the amp (even it´s a great amp out of the box) to get your personal super amp. I do some classic rock and I´m really satisfied with the AC30HW. Few days ago I found a site called www.ac30-guide.com and there´s an article on HW mods. I did this and now I got a superb amp for my tone (specialized to my tone of course).
I also tried different speaker and I´m now with the Celestion G12H30 that fit my sound best.
By the way, Status Quo uses AC30s and Marshals in a mix but you can get great quo-sounds out of this standing alone.

Pro Quo and pro AC30HW :)


Posted 1 year ago

 

jmczaja

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My AC30HWH didnt hum much at all stock. I even lowered the filter cap values to JMI specs and it's still pretty quiet but 'feels' much less stiff. I've also done a few other mods to bring it to JMI specs. I'm pretty sure the article on the site above came from the discussion a bunch of us we're having on the vintageamps.com forums a few months back when we we're all experimenting with moding our HW's. Very nice that someone traced out the circuit and drew up a schematic on the site above!

You will have no problem whatsoever getting rock sounds from the amp. An AC30 is a rock amp, period! When i need to push the amp a little harder, i use a Timmy OD in front of it. I ran my amp for about a year into a cabinet loaded with the Celestion Blue reissuses but after breaking them in for about a year, I decided they were too harsh and bright for my taste and settled on a 30w Weber alnico Blue Dog paired with a 30w Scumnico and couldn't be happier. I always run the amp with the MV bypassed (sounds best) and never use the amp for practicing at home but between the 30/15w switch and the MV, you should be fine.

The construction of the amp is great, I dont think you'd have a problem..


Posted 1 year ago

 

jmczaja

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For the original discussion with a little more tech info on the mods:

http://vintageamps.com/plexiboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=99245


Posted 1 year ago

 

pjking81

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I recently had this problem when I tried to change the Ruby El84's with sum JJ's. At the time I had no clue about "the fix'' as it explains alot and the website that leads to this finding, the sound clip is exactly what I heard. Now I immeditley I took my amp to where I purchased it and they took it in for repair. It was returned to me fixed and with a new set of EH El84's the amp is back in working order. Now does this mean EH El84's work with out modification? I told my sales guy there about and he says that it was bad JJ's. Is there any other plus to doing 'the fix" mod, as nothing was change or modded to put in the EH El84.


Posted 1 year ago

 

griffen24

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griffen24
 

"The Fix" i simply moving the grid resistor from the turret board to the tube socket like in "the old days". It provides better noise isolation. The JJ tubes are a little more sensitive in that regard than some others. The JJ's are the only ones I tried that exhibited a noise problem. No sonic change (inprovement) in "the fix" it just allows the amp to use anyones EL84 now.


Posted 1 year ago

 

max___

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It happened to me too when I replaced the Rubys with old Blackburn Mullard EL84s. The strange thing is it didn't happen right away, it was only after a couple of weeks that the problem kicked in.


Posted 1 year ago

 

dbowman33

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I own a vox ac30 hw2x. I absolutely loved it and played 3 mnths with no problems. Then i noticed that the treble started sounding terrible. Very icy and sharp when before it was smooth and warm.

Immediately i thought the tubes needed replace. I installed high performance matched jjs. It sounded good for about two days and then same thing. Terrible treble sound, the natural breakup of the amp was horrible to get it to sound good i had to turn down the tone cut and take out most of all the treble. Thankfully my guitar is very well balanced with amazing pickups so i still can get a good sound from it. Now I took it to a tech and he said nothing is wrong with the amp. He then told me my tubes were burnt out. I had just replaced them! He said that the amp was fine i just needed new tubes.

Here is the kicker. The tubes that i bought originally in the amp were also new. They only lasted two months. The new tubes i put in only lasted two days. I am a very clean player and when i do overdrive its light to medium and i don’t ever get the chance to push the amp pass 12 oclock. What could possibly be the issue here? I know i am not hearing things, and the amp techs who are supposed to fix it are saying nothing is wrong. Clearly something is burning out my tubes! maybe a transformer? Please help!
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FROM VOXMAN: Please break up your post into paragraphs - I've done it for you this time. Otherwise it's difficult to read.


Posted 1 year ago

 

voxandroid

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I'm experiencing exactly the same thing as you, dbowman33. I bought my AC30 HW2X four months ago and it sounded absolutely great..!! Until yesterday...
We played a gig and the treble suddenly was very harsh and causing real pain in my ears. I checked the amp again today and the treble sounds really bad - icy and sharp - you already named it.
Now I'm wondering if anyone has an advice? It seems that I definitely have to replace my tubes. But what can I do in order to avoid this happen again in such a short period of time? How did the story go on dbowman33? Any advices?
Thanks!


Posted 9 months ago

 

 

Is it just the Top Boost channel with the problem ? The reason I as is because V2 is usually the first tube to have issues in these amps and it is only used in the Top Boost channel.

Looking from the back of the amp v1 is on the left under the aluminium cover. you then have a further 2 pre-amp tubes and then the EL84 power tubes. (Tip remove the metal grill from the back of the rear panel of the amp and you won't have to keep removing the rear panel to change tubes)

V1 is shared by both channels, they use each half of the double triode respectively. This tube should last well as its not stressed much, it is the most sensitive in the circuit though so a good low noise tube is best. I prefer to use a TungSol reissue (russian) in here because they are bright and clean sounding.

V2 (the next tube along to the right) is only used in the TB channel. It is wired as a cathode follower which puts a lot of stress on the tube due to the large voltage between its cathode and heater (around 180v). It drives the tone stack. Many modern tubes don't last long in this position in my experience. I have had TungSol and Mullard reissue tubes fail within days in this position. I have found JJ and Chinese 12ax7B tubes to work well here.

V3 the last of the preamp tubes is the Phase Inverter that drives the power tubes. This should usually be replaces with every other set of power tubes as it does take a bit of a hammering but nothing like the cathode follower position of V2. I have used TungSol reissues in here without issues.

The power tubes are running as cathode biased and fairly hot, they won't last that long in these amps. It does of course depend how often and loud you play. It only takes one tube out of the four to go bad and cause the sound of the amp to change. If you still have the older tubes try swapping each one out. Don't worry too much about matching tubes, they don't stay matched for long in these amps ;-)

New tubes can fail very quickly if they have a fault and its not as uncommon as you may think. Just swap the tubes out one at a time and use a process of elimination to find the bad one. Remember V2 is only used by the TB channel.


Posted 9 months ago

 

voxandroid

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Thanks alot for your detailed input sizzlingbadger!
I'm usually not using the Top Boost channel, only the Normal High input channel with the Bright switch turned on.
According to your suggestions, I've exchanged all three pre-amp tubes for testing purpose. Unfortunately the treble was sounding still too harsh. Could the power tubes or even the rectifier tube cause this issue? I don't have any additional tubes to make further tests, so I most likely have to bring the amp to a local dealer.


Posted 9 months ago

 

cfrazer

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I put JJ's EL84's in as the Ruby's were not much chop. I also did a mod so I could use the Normal input and click a two button floor pedal to switch to the Top Boost and the second button engages the Hot / Cool function (all optical switching). I also installed a volume pot on the back to controle how much the hot/cool provides.

Such an almighty gorgeous and usable amp now. Particuarly for Beatles which is all I tend to play.

Next step is replacing the Vox blues with UK ones as the China ones sound wooly. I will wait though as they are not completely broken in yet.


Posted 9 months ago

 

voxman

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voxman
 

Cfrazer - not sure how old your amp is, but the Vox Chinese Blues are now made with the same cone paper as the UK made Blues & sound identical. However, if you have an older amp then a more economic solution would be to just have your blues reconed with the 'right' paper. There is a huge thread here on the old Chinese Blues with details of the 'right' cone material.


Posted 9 months ago

 

 

I found the Hot switch makes the amp harsh too, putting in a resistor or variable resistor to limit the effect is a good idea as it allows the tone controls to still have some effect. These speakers take a long time to break in, you can speed it up by playing an iPod through your amp during the day when you are not practicing.

I have the UK blue in my AC15 and just recently bought an AC30C2 with Chinese Blues and they are identical now. Just check your cones have the H1777 number printed on them. Early Chinese blues had the wrong cone but I think it was only around the CC era and didn't effect the HW series.

The Ruby (Chinese) tubes are great in the preamp.


Posted 9 months ago

 

cfrazer

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Thankyou voxman and sizzlingbadger, You are most correct. After reading so many forums and assuming these Blues were not quite right I checked the speaker cone and confirmed the H1777's are in there. All good.

I actually picked up a 1994 Celection Blue recently which was in a box marked 'demonstration' with the cone glue still covering the mounting holes (never been used). Is exactly the same as the new Celestions and Vox ones all but for a larger dust cover.

I love this amp so much. And as it lives within my http://www.theflightcasecompany.com/products/Vox-AC30-C2-Combo-Amp-Flight-Case.html
I expect this amp and I will be togehter for life. I hope my marriage lasts as long


Posted 8 months ago

 

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