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AC30 channel jumping - why does it work?

Started 1 year ago by garrettnothern

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I know how to jump the two channels with a patch cable. My question just for education's sake is this: why does this work? Signal goes from guitar to normal high input, then from low normal INPUT to top boost input. Is there a mechanism inside that switches it to an output because it assumes that's what you're trying to do? Just confuses me that the signal goes out from one input to another.


Posted 1 year ago

 

 

Think of it as shorting the two inputs together. Your signal goes through both the Normal and Top Boost channel and is mixed in the power section at the phase inverter.


Posted 1 year ago

 

dennyrane

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Jumping....like on an old Marshall or Fender.?
Kind of the same principle as "daisy chaining' speaker cabs. Once you parallel both inputs (with a patch cable) of ONE channel, the same signal appears on the plug of the patch cable. Wherever you insert the patch cable, it will carry your guitar signal.
Am I understanding your question correctly.?
Best


Posted 1 year ago

 

crowquill

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It works be cause the high and the low inputs are wired in parallel with each other. Think if it this way:

Each jack has 2 connections that are wired into the circuitry, corresponding with the tip and the sleeve of the guitar cable. Those 2 points of both the high and the low jacks are connected to the same to points at the beginning of the channel, and since there are connected to the same points, the two jacks are effectively wired to each other, allowing the signal to flow to from one to the other, thus allowing the signal to go from the jack your guitar is connected to, to the other jack of that channel, out through a patch cable and into another jack.

I hope that made some sense


Posted 1 year ago

 

 

I'm pretty new to really learning the electronic workings of equipment, but I think I get it. It's not the audio signal passing through one then another then to the amp, it's simply electronic current affecting the signal which is free to flow both ways from each jack. Thus whatever jacks the signal touches are effecting the one single signal eventually going out as audio. That about right?


Posted 1 year ago

 

 

So to really get my understanding of this to a 100% macro idea of what's going on - I'm assuming that when jumping normal and boost, the channel that i initially plug into directly from guitar (top boost or normal) will make no difference as far as the resulting sound right?


Posted 1 year ago

 

crowquill

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The audio signal IS an electric current. Its just a current with the voltage changing at the same frequency that the string vibrates (in the simplest explanation). Everything between the guitar strings and the amp's speakers is just an electric current with changing voltages (unless there's something digital in your signal chain)

For our purposes, the audio signal will behave like any other electric current through a circuit. The same thing would happen if you had 2 9V batter clips attached to the positive and negative terminals of an LED. So imagine the 2 wires from one battery connecting to the 2 terminals of the LED and the 2 wires from another battery clip connecting to the same 2 terminals of the LED at the same points. So, the 2 battery clips are effectively connected to each other as well as to the LED. Now, you could connect a battery to one clip and the LED would light up. You could connect a 2nd battery to the 2nd clip and the LED would get more power OR you could also touch another LED to the terminals of the battery clip and it would get power from the 1st battery and both LEDs would light up.

So how does this relate to the guitar and amp? A string passing over the magnet in your pick ups induces a current to travel travel out your guitar, thought your cable, and into your amp. So, in this case you could think of the pickup as a battery (since they both cause a current to travel through a circuit), you could thing of the amp input jacks as the battery clips, and the amp as the LED. Since the jacks are effectively wired directly to each other, as long as there's something causing current to flow, connected to one side, the other side can be either another input, or an output.

Is that more clear?


Posted 1 year ago

 

 

Oh yeah exactly... That's the same understanding I had, even if my phrasing was less than technically accurate. Thanks. I haven't even picked up my AC30 yet (Musician's Friend is gonna be MY friend next paycheck). But I can't wait to try this.. hear the tone is fantastic.


Posted 1 year ago

 

 

Its just great explained on the official Voc website.
Its a great sound i switched from the marshall JVM to the Vox ac 302c a great improvement for the allround sound the marshall stays on for the heavy stuff.


Posted 1 year ago

 

zebidyah

Member

 

Can you do this with the Ac15 by running your guitar through an A.B.Y. box and then sending a signal to both the normal and top boost inputs?


Posted 8 months ago

 

 

Yes you can. Basically you are feeding a signal into both channels and it gets mixed at the phase inverter in the power amp section. By setting the volume of each channel you can choose how much of each channel is going through to the power section.


Posted 8 months ago

 

zebidyah

Member

 

Very cool! I'd really love to get the Ac15. It is just such versitile amp, but I don't think I'll really use it to it's potential and it's not as travel friendly as a smaller amp like the Ac4c1-bl. I'm so torn.


Posted 8 months ago

 

voxac30cc2

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At the moment I use two AC30 CC2s on stage for a stereo effect. I use a marshall panning effects pedal for one of the songs. most of the other songs i just use the two CC2s with a couple of boss pedals (Digi Reverb, Blues driver, digi delay etc.)
However one of the songs I use an accoustic and run it through the normal input for a warm clean sound then change it back to the top boost channel to finish out my set.
Is there a neat way of using a foot switch channel select for the two amps to change from top boost to normal with the tap of a foot switch then back to top boost at the end of a song?
(if so would there be a big loomed cable running out of the foot switch?)

the other issue is that normal channel is at a much lower volume than top boost so I usually increase the volume up a good bit. I presume I would just have to hit foot switch and quickly adjust the volume on amps myself.

I hope I have explained this okay?


Posted 7 months ago

 

gibsonsgvox

Member

 

This all may be considered channel jumping on the Vox ac30's,but this is not what channel jumping really is.Channel jumping is when you take the out put from one channel and feed it into the other,using the first channel as an overdrive,so to speak.It is not the same as mixing both channels together,which would be like using an aby box.Hendrix used channel jumping on his Marshall amps.


Posted 6 months ago

 

voxman

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I thought exactly the same as you gibsonsgvox, but I discussed with our Valvetronix.net techy Retrobob & he assured me it was exactly the same thing. See our detailed 'conversation' on the other thread.


Posted 6 months ago

 

jrichlaw08

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jrichlaw08
 

how would you run the cables through an ABY box in order to have the "jump" effect?


Posted 5 months ago

 

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