Cloud9 - I couldn't agree more. I have an SE and still think it's great, although I would have liked to see various improvements in its functionality which I've posted about elsewhere on the forum. I've become very disappointed with the way the development of multi-fx units has occurred across all the major players. None of the subsequent Vox Tonelabs are any use to me for gigging. In frustration I picked up a second-hand Digitech GNX3000 recently. It has good funtionality for what I need when gigging i.e. stompbox mode; easy movement through presets without coming out of stompbox mode; intellingent harmoniser, 3 parameters assignable to the expression pedal etc. The pleasant surprise was how good it can sound with some tweaking. The quality of amp models has come on a lot since the GNX 1, 2 etc range that preceded it.

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tonelab SE is great. It's the best guitar effects processor. Stand alone pedals are useless after SE

You just have to do a smaller version of the SE / LE!
3-4 footswitches, an expression pedal (or sold it separately), decent lcd display to write patch names (NAMES, NOT NUMBERS!).. something like Zoom G3. Drums and looper synchronized, metronome, headphones output are very welcome

Hello- I've used an LE for about 2 years and have come to rely on it in gigging situations. I just picked up an EX though and thought that it would at least be smaller and lighter to lug around and I will soon attempt to recreate my LE patches. But already I've discovered that the stereo features seem limited. Is there in fact no ping pong delay??? How can this be??

I've had the ex for about a month now had very happy with it as far as more options go yea it would be nice to use a stand alone pedal with an amp model other than that I have no complaints. as far as having to switch out of sb mode to change presets just save another patch instead of using sb mode. it would be nice to have a fast scroll option 50 banks takes a while. The expression pedal is awsome and being able to assign any parameter to the pedal makes experimenting with new stuff really easy. So being my first tonelab I think I made a great choice.

I had the Tonelab SE once and for some stupid reason i sold it though i must say the move to Pod HD 500 not such a bad thing in fact it sounds very good through a Vox Ac30
But i realy do miss the SE as there was somthing about it
As of late i have been chasing the discontinued Vox Cooltron range and i must say i am more than impressed with the result , although the Tonelabs and Pods and others do sound good i find the cooltrons just sound more like how it should sound

As always, pro's & con's. The EX is way more compact, lighter, has more & 'newer' amp models. A big advantage is its second pedal section that allows combination effects not possible with any other amp - in particular the wah pedal (of which the EX gives 2 types).

The SE is big, heavy, and has less amp models. The amp models are 'older technology' but still sound very good (based on those in the Blue Valvetronix amps). But from a gigging perspective even though it has just the one pedal section, IMHO it's still the easiest to use TL with full stomp box capability. And it's the only TL with A/B channel alternatives and two independent volume/expression pedals. It has patch-naming, MIDI capability and lots of other goodies.

You really need to hear both to see which you prefer, because they do sound/feel quite different. But from a pure gigability standpoint, if you can cope with the size & weight, the TLSE is still an excellent unit. If you need something more compact, and don't need the facilities in the TLSE, then TLEX is the way to go.

Oh, one more question; when you say the ex and se sound different, are you suggesting that the ex might clearly sound better or more complex? Or is it apples and oranges?

Ok final decision: I picked up a used se with road case today. I'm talking back the ex I bought yesterday. The guy (I'll leave unnamed) Is a Nashville country music guitarist. He has used the things on tours all over the world. He told me he recently had it serviced and had all the switches changed out. Great band road case to go with it as well. As well, I know it's been tested by a touring music pro. He said he was going to upgrade to a new line6 product. I hope he doesn't miss it! :)

I have the TLSE, love it, but have been wondering for a while whether I should consider upgrading to the latest and greatest. I use it mainly for gigging and jamming, not for recording unless there is space to setup a tube amp and cab to mic, I don't like the direct sound from the TLSE.

From the sounds of it, I should not change. Does the EX have treble booster pedal by the way? I could not find it in the manual. It would be nice to get some updated models and it sounds like the EX has a bit more flexibility in terms of how FX pedals can be combined. I often find with the SE that have to either use this or that, and can't use both, if they are from the same slot. Generally I've been able to work around it most of the time, but its been a minor frustration. That and unimpressive speaker emulated direct to board outs.

But on the other hand, the A/B switch I use all the time. I could live without two expression pedals to be honest. I prefer to have external volume pedal to avoid accidentally stepping on the wrong one when I'm meaning to hit a wah or something. A smaller foot print would also not be terrible.

So I don't know if I could live without the SE, even if the EX has better sound and more patch flexibility.

I wish Tonelab would really come out with a top notch floor pedal that takes it all to the next level. Seems like everyone has kind of dropped the ball in this area, maybe not enough market for it. Hell I would rather see a rack mount thing that I can control with my own pedal of choice, if that's what it takes to get more software features into a more price efficient shell.

Anyway, my TLSE still has the warmest, creamiest tone of any modeler I have tried both on and off the computer. Its not a perfect modeler, I can get some really authentic sounds from amplitube that I can't do with the TL, but many the TLSE sure feels good to play into a tube amp with cab.

I have a TLST, great tones,not to good for gigging live in terms of selecting patches.
Checked out the TLEX,wasn't impressed with the unit.Went with a Digitech RP1000.

Excellent features,and excellent amp/cab sounds,pedal and effects tones.Multiple uses available.
A true" Integrated Effects Switching Sytem".

It would be good if Vox were to build a unit like the RP1000 using their valvetronix systems.

smokin.