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Considering Vox VT

Started 4 years ago by doadman

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doadman

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I'm looking at selling my Marshall DSL401 and Digitech GNX3000 to get a more 'all-in-one' solution and am having trouble deciding on what to get. Most modelling amps just don't go far enough for me but I've narrowed it down to either a Peavey Vypyr or Vox VT. The problem I have is that both have strengths and weaknesses.

PEAVEY VYPYR
The main problem with this amp seems to be reliability as there are quite a few reported problems with them. That said, the amp models sound very good, it has plenty amp models that do everything from clean to high gain Metal well and you can use a number of effects at the same time. On top of this, I can connect it to the computer for updates and recording and have a foot controller that does pretty much everything. There's a lot to be said for this amp.

VOX VT
The valve-like quality of Vox's amp models is undeniable and the only reason I've been put off them in the past (ADVT and Tonelab) is that they just haven't been very convincing on high gain models. The other potential issue is that the most likely model for me would be the 50w version but for an amp that is supposed to be a giging amp, the lack of an effects loop is a major oversight. By itself I'm not sure the VT50 without additional effects options will do enough. The other concern in the floor controller. Compared to the Sanpera II offered by Peavey, the optional footcontroller by Vox is feeble. I notice that there is a better one made but it's not available on the VT range!! Why would that be?

I want to like the Vox VT as I know how good the amp modelling can be, especially if the high gain models have improved and I admit that some of my concerns may be due to my lack of knowledge of the product so I thought I'd come here and ask those who know more about it than me. It may help to describe exactly what I'm after and then you can advise me if the VT can do it and which model it would be.

1) Amp models that range from Blues to high gain Metal. They don't need to sound like the original amps as long as they are very good quality and are valve-like in sound.

2) I need an amp that is good at both bedroom and small gig volumes

3) I often need to run Chorus, Delay and Reverb at the same time as well as be able to add a Wah effect for solos when desired. Compression is also sometimes used and occassionally a Flanger or Phaser. I also use Reverb and if the amp models can't cope with high gain very well, I'd also need to add additional distortion. This is why I was thinking the effects loop would be needed. In fairness, I don't see an effects loop specified on the Vypyr either but I have read a lot of comments about people using effects very successfully with them.

4) For practical purposes I'd like to be able to control as much as possible from a footcontroller, as the Vypyr seems to offer. Is there a way of getting the Vox VT to do this?

5) Headphone sockets and input for mp3 and computer would be nice.

As often seems to be the case, I suspect that the amp I need is a cross between the Vypyr and the VT as neither appears to be exactly what I'm after but I guess life is made of compromises. I'd be grateful if someone could tell me if the VT range could somehow meet my needs or at least come close or am I barking up the wrong tree and the Vypyr would be better for me. Basically, based on what I'm after, what can the Vox do and what can't it do?

Thanks for your help.


Posted 4 years ago

 

voxman

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voxman
 

Ho Doadma. First - & trust me on this - don't touch a Solid State Vypyr. The sound is tinny, speakers are poor, and reliability is a MAJOR issue - I was bitterly disappointed when I tried one and the Valvetronix tone & feel is a hundred times superior. I've also seen enough on the forums to know that despite all the clever marketing of the powerful processors, Peavey has simply got this amp and the quality control very wrong. Umpteen folk have returned these amps - most in favour of the Valvetronix.

Second - tone & reliability is THE most important thing - not the bells & whistles effects. I agree with you re the lack of an FX loop in the 50watt versions - I really would like to see Vox put that right. However, there is a relatively simple FX loop mod available (see download section at Valvetronix.net). it is an 'unofficial' mod & will likely invalidate your warranty, but it's been met with great success by everyone who's either done it themselves, or had an amp tech do it for them.

Third - there is another option to consider. There are still 'Blue series' Valvetronix available as 'new-old stock' from dealers, and secondhand. The AD60VTX for example will give you: - 32 patch memory, 10 pedal selections, 16 amp models, 5 modulation, 3 delay, and 3 reverb options in individual sections. FX loop, line-out, headphone, and extn. cab outs - and it's fully compatible with the VC12 floor controller. The speaker is a 1x12" Celestion 'Neodog' (a slight variant of the excellent Celestion G12 Century with lightweight Neodymium magnet) and the cab is birchply with closed-back.

I have the AD120VTX, AD212 extn cab, and VC12 which is still my main gigging rig. Although discontinued these are still great amps and can still be found. Add a stomp 7-band EQ in the FX loop & you've a real tone-monster under your control. The VC12 gives full stomp mode control as well as patch selection, independent volume and expression pedal, & floor access to the AD60VTX chromatic tuner.

I honestly think this will be a better fit for what you need.

Rich


Posted 4 years ago

 

doadman

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Thanks for the feedback, it was very interesting. I don't doubt your honesty at all, though you won't be surprised that Peavey are telling me they're every bit as good as you're saying Vox are, lol :) Only to be expected I guess. Anyway, I'm going to try a Vypyr on Monday hopefully. I'd love to try the Vox VT series too but according to the website there doesn't appear to be a Vox dealer in Lincolnshire!!!

I suspect that the 50w VT will have an effects loop in time as it's such a crazy thing to miss out and I would even guess that the VT range will ultimately get a better foot controller as there's no point in having an amp with more amp models and effects than the rest of the Valvetronix range and the worst foot controller. Unfortunately that doesn't help me now. I've searched the internet for the AD60VTX but can't find one available so that seems unlikely too. Vox have a fantastic product but as always it seems to fall short of what I need. When I first tried the Valvetronix range I loved it but it simply couldn't do the high gain models I wanted. I equally loved the Tonelab LE but still got the GNX as it could do so much more with amp models that weren't quite as good in Marshall JCM800 territory but slaughtered it in high gain and versatility. That said, I still really want to like the Vox best so I'll do my best to find a dealer a reasonable distance away and see what it's like for myself. You never know, it could be soo good I could forgive it its shortcomings and then there's always the reliability issues on the Vypyr anyway.

It sounds like I was right and neither amp is absolutely ideal


Posted 4 years ago

 

 

Maybe you want to buy an AC15 instead of a modeling amp? There are modeling pedals that you could use in front? I'm not sure about volume levels for practice though, but at least you'd have a solid foundation to build your gear on. I have a Vox AD50VT by the way. It didn't last 3 years and blew up. At the price you pay for them they are not worth the cost of repairs so now its just going to become a speaker cabinet I guess.


Posted 4 years ago

 

fred

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I just returned a Vypyr 15 yesterday because of some reliability issues. Initially I thought it sounded great, but I noticed how the speaker would fart out at any thing above about 3 on the master volume, and there was some noticeable digital noise on certain settings. I had intended to get the Vypyr 30, thinking that the twelve inch speaker and the ability to download updates may solve some of the problems.
Fortunately, Joe at Guitar Center showed me the VT15. It is a world of difference in sound quality! The VT15 has much better tone and feels much more responsive.
I would advise trying both and letting your ears decide. As for me, I'm glad I didn't get another Vypyr.


Posted 4 years ago

 

fred

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After playing through the VT15 for a week, I am very pleased with it. Some of the high gain amps sound absolutely amazing, as do some of the clean models. I like that the reverb is independent of the other effects, and you can get chorus and delay together with reverb. It is pretty cool being able to adjust the gain and volume to drive either the preamp stage or the power amp, or both. The 66 presets sound pretty good, and so do most of the effects. I am still playing with the adjustable parameters, but it gives you a pretty good variety of sounds.
The volume level and sound quality of the VT15 are much better than the Vypyr. The 8" speaker sounds very full. All in all, a very flexible good sounding amp.


Posted 4 years ago

 

carvin30

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carvin30
 

Hola,tengo un AD50VT y una Boss ME-20.Necesito preset VOX que me permita usar la Boss Me-20 effects de la mejor manera posible.Gracias


Posted 4 years ago

 

firebrand

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firebrand
 

As an "unbiased" (meaning not compensated) musician to another, I concur with the assessment of the Vypyrs given above. One of my buddies (who is "endorsed" by Peavey) had a Vypyr Solid State 50 he was shredding on when they first arrived. "Aw man, this amp is way cool. It's better than anything I have had before..." which is the line he tells me EVERY time he gets something different.

If all you care about is uber-gain and razor-blade shrill highs, that are even more pronounced than a Soldano amp, the Vypyr is for you. If you try to get any other sounds out of the Vypyr they will only sound good after you have downed a bottle of JD (and that is speculation as I don't drink that kind of stuff personally).

If you have the room, buy a used 120VTX, I had a 60VTX and it's total signal path is mono. The 120VTX is stereo and once you go stereo it is hard to come back to mono. That being said the short time I owned a 60VTX it kicked the butt of my PODxt/Atomic 112-50 rig.


Posted 4 years ago

 

carvin30

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carvin30
 

Podrian decirme en idioma espaƱol como setear el auto wha en mi Vox Valvetronix AD50VT?


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