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VOX VT30 and VFS5 pitch effect issue

Started 2 years ago by riff_chug

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riff_chug

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Hi there i have a bit of an issue about the VFS5 footswitch, in manual mode, channel 2 doesn't seem to scroll between the intervals of the pitch, i also made sure that the pitch effect isn't bypassed. can anyone tell me how this could be fixed? thanks


Posted 2 years ago

 

voxman

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voxman
 

in manual mode, channel 2 doesn't seem to scroll between the intervals of the pitch

Hi RC - not quite sure what you mean here. Are you having a problem with the pitch effect itself or patch changing with the VFS5? And as you're in manual mode, what exactly do you mean by 'channel 2'' and 'intervals of the pitch''?

Presumably as per your thread heading we're definitely talking VT30 with the 8 patch user memory & VFS5 here rather than trying to use a VFS5 with an older AD30VT? - it's just that I have seen some confusion here by at least one user who thought he had a VT30 but it was actually an AD30VT - which is why the VFS5 didn't work with it - I was just double checking because of your reference to 'channel 2'.

(I'm a little jet-lagged so sorry in advance if I'm a bit slow on the uptake here!)


Posted 2 years ago

 

blacksun3

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blacksun3
 

I did post an answer but will restart from scratch ...^^

So, to complete Voxman's answer:

Ok, in the VT's manual, it's said that the Ch2 of the footswitch can affect time or speed of an effect (delay, reverb, etc), but I've seen nowhere it's said it can change the pitch ... it refers to intervals of time, but not to harmonic intervals ...

Does the Ch2 change the pitch when you are not in manual mode?

Another possibility is that the saved pitch parameters will be recalled, if I understand, only if this effect is selected when being in manual mode; otherwise, the default ones will be recalled.
What is the default value for the mix parameter? Did you save your precedent changes with a not full dry mix?

The Edit1 knob position is the only one not reflecting the actual value taken in account when you are in manual mode; as the Edit 1 button corresponds to the mix, isn't it set to full dry sound (with no effect in the resulting sound, even if selected)?

(so the pitch interval could be changed by the Ch2 foot switch - if it's able to -, but with no audible result, as although the Edit 1 knob is set on a middle position, the actual mix value could be set on "full dry")


Posted 2 years ago

 

riff_chug

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Thank you very much for taking the time on answering my post,
Sorry for the confusion on my post,. the CH2 seems to work on other effects and changing channels in bank mode, but in manual and preset mode it doesnt work on pitch . I am using the VOX VT30,. not the AD30VT...
yes i agree, the manual doesnt seem to state that it can control pitch effect, but i saw a video/demo on youtube and the guy doing the video is able to scroll between the intervals of the pitch effect using channel two (CH2) on the VFS5 footswitch,. actualy i just got the footswitch earlier this week and when i tried to explore it the thing that i noticed was it cant change intervals on the pitch effect.
kinda weird coz I went to the guitar shop and tried it out on a vt50 and another vt30, and it still doesn't work, so I thought maybe the pedal is damaged, so I tried out another pedal and it still won't work, so I thought maybe this feature only works on a vt100, but 2 guys from valvetronix forums said that it works fine on their VT30. im actually getting a bit confused and frustrated why this wont work.
hoping for you're kind reply.

EDIT:This is the video/demo on youtube on behalf of this issue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hufDvxaxJeY

if you switch to 6:46 part of the video there you will see what im talking about,. mine doesnt work that way. cheers
cheers


Posted 2 years ago

 

blacksun3

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blacksun3
 

Maybe is it a feature that is not build on newer or older VT30?
Or maybe does it only work on the VT100, even if some people said it works on their VT30 (they may be confused about effects).

But let's try some things.

Before doing what is following, I would set the amp on manual mode, and then, even if the selection knob is already on "Pitch", I would turn it a bit then reset it on "Pitch".

1/ First, did you check the mix ?
(I would try with a clean sound, then set the selector on pitch, verfying I'm hearing the two sounds - if not, I would turn the mix Edit1 button until I hear both at the same time)

2/ Then, is the Tap knob changing the pitch? (at the amp panel)
(If the answer is "Yes", I would retry with the ch2 now)

On the video, they did insert some sequence, showing the selector being set to the pitch effect - I did notice the amp was on "Preset" mode, not on "Manual" mode - but as Dave Martone is later speaking about manual mode, maybe these pictures are just post-production mistakes. (the ch2 would change preset in this configuration, I think - but would have a try to be sure of that)

3/ Finaly, when you set the selection knob to the delay effect, is the ch2 switch changing the delay time? (You said it's ok above, but to be sure ...)
Try that and if it 's ok just change the selector to pitch shift, and retry.

Note:
The fact that you did some trials on VT50 and VT30 in a music shop would indicate:
- the footswitches had a problem
- all the amp you tried with had a problem
- the feature is not set on these amps (may be set on VT100 or not - features can be modified without notification, as always)
- you do some bad operation
if you can go to other music shops, let's have a try with their amps and their footswitches.

Maybe could some Vox people tell us if this feature should work or not with your amp ...?


Posted 2 years ago

 

voxman

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voxman
 

I'm now awake (un-jet lagged now) & I now understand the query (ignore my previous post!).

The video clearly shows that the tap should affect the pitch interval - although the manual only refers to the VFS5 altering parameters for modulation & time based effects (as Blacksun said) p22 in the latest VT manual shows a table detailing the pitch-shift intervals available via 'tap' - so you'd think it should work by tapping CH2 just as in the vid.

If anyone from Vox is looking in....any comment guys? Has there been any spec change?

Rich


Posted 2 years ago

 

riff_chug

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Hi, thanks for the quick reply,
i did the following earlier today

1.Plugged in VFS5
2.Turned on amp
3.Click/select manual mode.
4.Select ''pitch'' effect
5.Made sure that i can hear the pitch changing when i click ''tap'' on the amp.
6.Made sure that effects isn't bypassed.
7.Stepped/clicked CH2 on the VFS5, unfortunately it still doesnt work...

I also did an amp factory reset before i did this btw.

The weird thing is, the CH2 works on other effects, its only the pitch thats having issues.
sockets are clean too.

i also have a feeling that maybe this feature doesnt work on the VTs that were produced later than the older ones? i can only speculate but bottomline is that its quite confusing and actualy getting frustrating, i hope this issue will be cleared though.

cheers


Posted 2 years ago

 

vox_saulo_uk

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vox_saulo_uk
 

That seems very strange indeed.

However, we seem to be missing something as I have just tried to reproduce your issue here with 2 different VT30s without success. Both amps work exactly as expected, changing the pitch intervals as I press the "TAP" button or CH2 footswitch on the VFS5.


Posted 2 years ago

 

blacksun3

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blacksun3
 

What do you mean in your 6. operation by "made sure the effect is not bypassed" ?

You should do nothing at all between your 5. and 7. operations.
If you hear the pitch shifting at the 5., the effect is not by-passed, that"s enough to be sure of that.

As a test, I would add:

Re-do exactly your 7 operations as you described above (except for the 6 . point)

8. select Delay effect (don't touch any other thing, but just the selector)
9. stepped/cliked CH2 on the footswitch to see if it works, if it makes sound changes ...

And if it's ok:

10. select pitch shifter (don't touch anything other)
11. click several times on the CH2.
12. if nothing happens, just turn a bit the "Edit 1 button" to a middle position, and retry CH2. Don't touch anything else than this "Edit 1" knob and then the CH2.

It may be possible too that your shop received a bad serie of amps and/or footswitches - try to compare serial numbers ...?

But it may be possible too that you do something wrong ...?

P.S.: I don't know if the pitch shift operates in "circles", i.e. when you are on the higher pitch shift, if tapping again on the button make it go back to the lower pich shift and so on ...?

Or is it "linear", and so tapping again should change nothing when you are already on the higher pitch shift it can handles?
(if so, you should exchange your 5. and 7. operations order for a new test starting from scratch - power off the amp, then light it on and re-test - just check with the eyes at the 5. operation that the by-pass is not lighted and touch nothing)


Posted 2 years ago

 

riff_chug

Member

 

Hi, thanks for the replies,

what i meant in number 6 is that i made sure that the effects isnt bypassed,
yes i have tried selecting the delay effect and tried to tap tempo on the CH2 and it works fine, so does the other effects except for the pitch.

I bought another VT50 earlier and it still wont work, is it possible that the later productions of the VT series may have made some changes in software or what not that maybe could affect this issue?


Posted 2 years ago

 

blacksun3

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blacksun3
 

What I mean is to try it in the same process, without changing anytihng (so very strictly respecting the operations order given above).

For example, checking the by-pass by operating it is not good as you may reset some parameter - you should just eventually check with eyes and ears ... and test the 12 operations from scratch. (amp powered off, then on just before begining the serie of test operations).

So:
1.Plugg in VFS5
2.Turn on amp
3.Click/select manual mode.
4.Select ''pitch'' effect
5.Make sure that i can hear the pitch changing when i click ''tap'' on the amp.
6.Make sure that effects isn't bypassed ONLY with the eyes (by-pass led not lighted).
7.Stepp/click CH2 on the VFS5
8. select Delay effect (don't touch any other thing, but just the selector)
9. stepp/click CH2 on the footswitch to see if it works, if it makes sound changes ...
10. select pitch shifter (don't touch anything other)
11. click several times on the CH2.
12. if nothing happens, just turn a bit the "Edit 1 button" to a middle position, and retry CH2. Don't touch anything else than this "Edit 1" knob and then the CH2.

Eventually after that, operate the by-pass knob and try again in both positions (led on and off) the tap button and the CH2 to see if that make some sound changes, and if the led is not out of order.

Make sure the pitch shifter is operating in circle, so that when you are on the higher pitch shift with the tap button, it will go back to the lower pitch shift, and then "climb" again with other tap button operations.

Then start from a low pitch shift and try the CH2 from this position.


Posted 2 years ago

 

riff_chug

Member

 

Hi there, i have just done everything that you mentioned, but unfortunately it still doesn't work, i dont think the pedal is broken because CH2 pretty much works fine on channel switching on bank mode, and it works on all the other effects, its just the pitch shift, i recon maybe the later productions of the VT series had some changes that maybe affected this issue? any comments?


Posted 2 years ago

 

blacksun3

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blacksun3
 

So, that could be the case ... anyone from Vox again ... ?

(And maybe you should ask to your distibutor ... insisting until you've got an aswer)


Posted 2 years ago

 

riff_chug

Member

 

I did tell the guy from the shop about this issue and i think hes also waiting for some updates from the vox guys, he said hes gonna call the vox guys hoping to clear this issue, but now i guess i just have to be a bit patient if any of the vox people will have any solutions or answers regarding this issue, but many thanks to the people that replied to this post and took the time to help, if there is any updates regarding this issue kindly reply on this thread so that i may keep myself updated.

cheers


Posted 2 years ago

 

blacksun3

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blacksun3
 

Please tell us too if you obtain some information ...

You're a very patient and kind guy.


Posted 2 years ago

 

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