http://www.voxamps.com/forum/ VOX | Discussion Forums Tag: tonelab es laney cub 12 en Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:45:35 +0000 http://www.voxamps.com/forum/topic.php?id=5652#post-31704 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:59:15 +0000 tobbster 31704@http://www.voxamps.com/forum/ <p>Hi Flavio,<br /> for me the Vox output is the best. Its a little bit muddier, i call it warmer, than the LINE output. Thanks to let me check it again ;-)<br /> I will now begin to build a sound library. Each amp (exept the metal amps) gets its own bank. The first 2 slots are for a clean and a dirty channel, the last for playing around with effects or song presets.<br /> Its really great fun to play with the tonelab and explore sound possibilities.<br /> Regards<br /> Tobias </p> http://www.voxamps.com/forum/topic.php?id=5652#post-31700 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:56:19 +0000 fechart 31700@http://www.voxamps.com/forum/ <p>Hey tobbster,</p> <p>It´s funny because I started trying the LINE output, you left me thinking! haha. But all the way the F output is much better for me...</p> <p>Regards and good luck!</p> <p>flavio </p> http://www.voxamps.com/forum/topic.php?id=5652#post-31683 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:49:12 +0000 tobbster 31683@http://www.voxamps.com/forum/ <p>Hi Flavio and voxman,<br /> thanks for tips.<br /> Flavio you are right, i meant the total eq while in LINE mode. I also found the LINE mode more natural and clear with the Cub, but i will now try the Fender mode again more thorough. </p> http://www.voxamps.com/forum/topic.php?id=5652#post-31673 Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:15:48 +0000 fechart 31673@http://www.voxamps.com/forum/ <p>Hi Rich,</p> <p>That´s right, "total EQ" is an additional layer of EQ. You access to it only in LINE mode pressing the Cabinet/Options button for a second; this enables the Bass knob as EQ HIGH and the Reverb knob as EQ LOW.</p> <p>I´m surprised you found the LINE output better for you. When you compare all the output modes, actually the "amps" modes sound bassy/muddy in comparisson with Line mode, but this one also sounds trebly and metallic. I always found the right sound managing the normal EQ with F output when I had the Fender Blues Junior amp... It also depends on your position respect to the amp, I mean, if you point the amp directly to you when you are playing or not.</p> <p>Sorry if my sentences sound weird, english is not my native language!</p> <p>Cheers!</p> <p>Flavio </p> http://www.voxamps.com/forum/topic.php?id=5652#post-31670 Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:04:59 +0000 voxman 31670@http://www.voxamps.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for clarifying fechart - I'm not sure if you mean that in 'Total EQ mode' you can adjust an additional layer of EQ globally (if so, I wasn't aware of that).</p> <p>However, whilst your observation is correct in theory, in practice it isn't. I actually found the best tone from the TLEX with my Cub WAS to set the global EQ switch to 'Line' - I found the other settings too bassy/muddy. </p> http://www.voxamps.com/forum/topic.php?id=5652#post-31667 Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:06:43 +0000 fechart 31667@http://www.voxamps.com/forum/ <p>Hi tobbster and voxman,<br /> I think there´s a big confusion here. Tobbster is switching the output of the TLEX to LINE, and this enables the TOTAL EQ, which is another stage of EQ apart from the normal Hi-Mid-Low EQ. This TOTAL EQ works only with the LINE output on the TLEX, and you CAN´T save its settings in a preset.</p> <p>I think you´re doing wrong there Tobbster, LINE Output is supposed to be used to record, for example when you connect your TLEX to a PC. You have three other outputs specially made to conect the TLEX to an amp, that's "VOX" position to connect to a VOX amp, "F" position to connect to a typical clean-sounding US-made open-backed combo amp, and "M" position to connect to a high gain stack-type amp with a 4x12 closed-back cabinet.</p> <p>You should use the "F" output with your amp, and manage the EQ (NOT the total EQ) and Presence to fit the sound to your taste.</p> <p>Hope this advice helps! Cheers! </p> http://www.voxamps.com/forum/topic.php?id=5652#post-31558 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 14:20:26 +0000 voxman 31558@http://www.voxamps.com/forum/ <p>Don't forget that my Cub is modified - the stock low-budget Celestion Rocket 50 has been upgraded to a Celestion Vintage 30 - big difference in tone &#38; volume. </p> <p>When you say 'total EQ' settings, if you mean treble, mids, bass in the TLEX, you can save all settings to each patch individually as a 'user setting' within the user section - but you can't save changes to patches whilst in the factory preset locations. If you mean global EQ, AFAIK only the 4-position switch at the rear of the unit gives a 'global' change to all patches and I don't think there's any other way you can globally change EQ to all patches in one go in the TLST or TLEX.</p> <p>I certainly didn't find the AC30TB or AC15 models muddy. One of the things to try is using different guitar leads - the difference in tone that a different guitar lead can make, can be HUGE....&#38; it's not necessarily to do with yours not being 'good quality'.</p> <p>Also, make sure you;re using the 15w input - the 1w setting doesn't sound as vibrant. </p> http://www.voxamps.com/forum/topic.php?id=5652#post-31555 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 08:55:48 +0000 tobbster 31555@http://www.voxamps.com/forum/ <p>Thanks for your quick answer.</p> <p>Yes I tried the Energizer (read your earlier posts) and found it great with higher volumes, a little bit too bassy with low volume (as the Cub too in my ears).</p> <p>Did you use any total-eq settings and do you know how to save them (they won't be saved with the presets)?</p> <p>I find the Vox 15 and 30 models sounds rather muffled, how do they sound at the TLST? </p> http://www.voxamps.com/forum/topic.php?id=5652#post-31554 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:37:29 +0000 voxman 31554@http://www.voxamps.com/forum/ <p>Afraid I had to return my loan TLEX, so I only have my TLST currently. </p> <p>Here's a BIG tip, to get a bigger tone from your cub, select &#38; max out the energizer effect in your TLEX...makes it sound like a big 2x12"!! I don't have this in the TLST &#38; I miss it!</p> <p>I set the Cub fairly clean - 15w input, gain at 2-3, olume wherever you need. Output on TLEX at 12 neutral (higher, if more volume &#38; clean headroom needed - ie if you raise the Cub gain it will start to 'crunch', whereas using the TLEX global volume control gives more headroom). Tonelab volume - just set wherever you want to get a balanced volume level from your patches. It's not a perfect science, so just set to taste. </p> http://www.voxamps.com/forum/topic.php?id=5652#post-31543 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:51:06 +0000 tobbster 31543@http://www.voxamps.com/forum/ <p>Hi voxman and lucky cub12(great blues rock bedroom amp) owners.<br /> Yersterday I got the tonelab and its sound pretty good in front of the amp with tonelab out as Line.<br /> Its my first multi and i wonder how to control the volume and how to adjust the total-eq.<br /> For the volume there are 3 parameter to consider: amp volume, output level at the tonelab back and the tonelab volume.<br /> Have you tips for level/volume/eq settings which work well with the cub12?<br /> Have you amp/effect settings for blues rock which you prefer? </p>